Why no military coup before 1994?

sadf_coupby Albert Brenner


Many of us still wonder why no military coup was carried out by the, erstwhile, formidable South African Defense Force in the early 1990s – an army rated as one of the top four at the time, and one which contributed hugely to the final defeat of Communism.

It goes without saying that the SADF had some of the best soldiers in the world. True winners! So it is a very pertinent question to ask why these top people failed to take matters into their own hands, especially given the fact that what FW de Klerk and ilk did was illegal in terms of internationally-recognized norms and conventions governing the democratic process.

I have received personal permission to publish the opinion of one of those former SADF members. A man who has some knowledge and insight regarding what transpired during those tumultuous years… in which political treachery bested even one of the top armies on the planet at the time:

During the time period leading up to 1994, there were plans made within the SADF military hierarchy to oppose, and possibly prevent, the impending hand-over of South Africa to the main South African terrorist organisation and our enemies. These plans were never executed, for various reasons. However, even if they had been attempted, they would probably have failed, at the latest in the long run, because they were simply not good enough. They did not sufficiently take into account the political aspect and what is nowadays called ‘sustainability’.

Let us start with what we could see was coming, and what our SADF ‘coup’ planners were up against: A hand-over of our internationally recognised state, the Orange-White-and-Blue RSA, to our enemies BY MEANS OF AN ELECTION. An Azanian election, dressed up and touted as an all-inclusive South African one, i.e. one in which WE, the voters of the Orange-White-and-Blue republic, were seen to take part in and thus recognise. Now, if you go against this with military force only, – even though you have the power to do so, – you will lose the legality and acceptance which our own state had had ever since 1910. You needed a righteous and un-smearable issue to make a stand. A stand on which you would and could JUSTIFY your resistance and action, – at the very least in the eyes of your own people, and then also in the eyes of your friends and people of goodwill overseas (who did exist, make no mistake, they weren’t all loony left).

Such an issue had, in fact, been presented to us by FW de Klerk and his scheming Broeders. In fact, they had no choice, because, in essence, what they were planning was illegal. You cannot simply eliminate an internationally recognised state and replace it with another one, which was basically what they were doing. ‘Freedom once conferred cannot be taken away’, – old English international law. De Klerk’s elimination-and-hand-over plan had more than one such weak point, in fact. I will mention just two, the most vulnerable ones in my opinion. First, he stopped our traditional, democratic by-elections. And ‘sommer’ all of our own democratic elections. And thereby our whole democratic election process, undermining his own legitimacy. This was after he saw during the Florida by-election in 1992 that his government would lose the next national election. Then, in 1993, he handed over, officially, the authority of our state to an UNELECTED body, the Transitional Executive Council, on 7 December to be exact. A total no-no if you think about it, what with unelected terrorists with the blood of innocent civilians like those of the Church Street massacre on their hands sitting there and ruling over us.

Any military action by the SADF to try stop FW de Klerk would have had to utilize, and home in on, these weak points of our enemies’ and traitors’ plans. Thereby giving the resistance to it the necessary legality, righteousness and appeal to decent people in our own ranks and overseas. For example, making an armed, militarily overwhelming stand somewhere, – not necessarily at the Union Buildings and not necessarily using force or shedding blood, – at the time of, or just after, the above illegal (in terms of our own constitution) acts by de Klerk. Demanding the restoration of our democracy and legality of government. Making it clear to our own people and the world that it is about restoring our democracy, our right to elect our own leaders, and have an elected, loyal government of our own as we had had since 1910, as set up by Great Britain and with the full approval of the international community. SUCH a military action would have had a chance of success.


  • Willem

    He did not quite answer the question..
    But all water under the bridge now..

    Such a strong, beautiful drawing accompanying this article, almost painful to look at..

    • Albert Brenner

      The wonderful sketch is by Peter Badcock. here is the link to his fantastic work.

      http://www.sadf.info/Images%20of%20War.html

      • Willem

        Thank you. Thought I recognize it. I’m looking through it now again, probably 30 years since I had the book in my hands.

  • Viva Mandela

    what a load of rubbish. I take exception to the association with the proud paratrooper as depicted in the image shown in the article. This ill informed verbal diarrhea attempts to legitimise totalitarianism over democracy. Luckily its water under the bridge and democracy prevailed. Viva Nelson Mandela! Viva!

    • Willem

      Of one thing we can be certain, no two: you never served proudly in the SADF.. and PRAAG is gaining serious traction if neo-marxists all of a sudden starts trolling the site with half-baked ‘objections’.

    • Marthinus

      Haha!! You are joking, right?

    • Marthinus

      You forgot to say “We are the Borg. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile.”

    • Götterdammerung

      Democracy? You mean Kakistocracy, ineptocracy or idiocracy surely

    • Johann Theron

      Actually it is the opposite – the coup did not take place precisely because democracy is such an inbred characteristic here and the army was actually fighting totalitarianism. So, your assumption is pre-mature. But continue with you comments, it is always welcome.

      • Albert Brenner

        Ditto. We were too good… for own own good.

    • Albert Brenner

      Utter nonsense!

      As the piece states; FW illegally SUSPENDED and CIRCUMVENTED the democratic process of an internationally RECOGNIZED country. This is against all internationally-accepted norms and standards re democracy.

      In short; your “totalitairianism” started the moment FW STOPPED by-elections!

    • Jochen Peiper

      If you believe the piece seeks to “legitimize totalitarianism over democracy” then you are illiterate.

  • What about the role played by kontant miljoen?

    • Johann Theron

      I asked Genl Viljoen what the “deal” was and all he said was that the deal was not adhered to. Lately Pik Botha said the same thing to the media. Now it is up to us and them and as Roland said, the young ones must make the decisions, not us. So it is effectively between them and the young ones.

      • Albert Brenner

        Amen. The only problem is that one generation is missing… those who are between 30 -48. They were supposed to have been the leaders after FW de Klerk`s generation.

        Unfortunately most of them emigrated…where they, for example, form the top earner-class in Australia. Our best brains e.g. doctors , lawyers, engineers, academics, etc. Aforesaid even earn, as a grouping, more than their Australian peers.

        One clearly notices the huge gap between the FW generation and the below-30 generation in SA.

        It sometimes breaks my heart to even think how our Youth has literally been thrown to the wolves!

        • TRT

          How old are you?

          Also, i agree with you on Australia. Australia has a strict immigration policy which makes it hard for the average person to get in. They only take the very best. I know many people who were rejected by the Australian immigration board because they didn’t meet the criteria.

          • Shannon

            the very best ? I know of quite a few nowadays who arrive by boat via Indonesia. And they’re the very first … who arrive at the benefits queue on Monday. And so, part of the very best’s punishment is to foot the bill – for the very worst.

          • Gas

            So dis waar die ding uithang! Oz! So gedink

        • Marthinus

          I am one of those below 30s (barely) and let me tell you, I can not name one of my peers with the will to set things right or have the character to do so. Thrown to the wolves indeed, I cannot express the sadness of this tale in words.

  • TRT

    What i don’t understand is why the NP government allowed American propaganda television shows to be aired in South Africa. They banned movies that contained sexual degeneracy, but they allowed programs like “The Cosby Show” with all it’s subtle black consciousness and liberal idealism.

    If you allow the enemy to spread their propaganda they will eventually weaken the spirit of the nation. And that’s exactly what happened. Whites just gave up.

    • Marthinus

      That is a good question. For years people were blasted with multi-racial egalitarian propaganda. By the time Nelson was about to take over, Afrikaners were alienated from their own self interest. White guilt was laid on so thick over their eyes it’s ridiculous.

  • Marthinus

    “For example, making an armed, militarily overwhelming stand somewhere, – not necessarily at the Union Buildings and not necessarily using force or shedding blood, – at the time of, or just after, the above illegal (in terms of our own constitution) acts by de Klerk. Demanding the restoration of our democracy and legality of government. Making it clear to our own people and the world that it is about restoring our democracy, our right to elect our own leaders, and have an elected, loyal government of our own as we had had since 1910, as set up by Great Britain and with the full approval of the international community. SUCH a military action would have had a chance of success. “

    Sorry if I missed the reason, but why did this not happen? I heard the tale of Constant Viljoen and his 70 000 troops ready for war but then he dropped it and went into politics so were can have the VF+ today … I understand the answer is; it would not have been sustainable?

    • Gerrie Venter

      Quite right. People were organised and waiting for Constant Viljoen in Pretoria to lead the military takeover. He never pitched but instead went to Mandela to negotiate for peace. How do you negotiate with a terrorist for peace if it is not on his terms? The result is history.

      • Marthinus

        This whole revolution is one big mystery to me, I have an idea what happened but their “victory” over us seems supernatural, as if everyone was blinded by God himself. I am glad we are still looking into it and that Praag is writing about it. I long for solid closure to be honest. They conquered us so bad it hurts, and the betrayal has been a constant numbing reminder for the last 20 years.

        • Albert Brenner

          “I long for solid closure to be honest.”

          Amen!

          • Marthinus

            Het jy al Volksverraad gelees Albert?

          • Albert Brenner

            Uitstekend, het dit jare gelede gelees en toe vir n vriend geleen. Het hom nooit weer gesien. Stuur dit vir my asb op my FB blad, indien moontlik.

          • Marthinus

            Ek sal vir Dan vra om die skakel vir jou aan te stuur.

        • Jochen Peiper

          Martinus on a similar scale I have heard other fantasies doing the rounds. Like the favorite lie of a drunken fool which gets more exaggerated as time goes on.
          “The armed struggle won”
          “Mandela saved us from a bloodbath”
          The Boers could not go on
          Many such fantasies which you try to disprove by reference to North Korea, Japan, Chile, the Soviet Union etc…

          • Marthinus

            Supposedly the NP finally gave in when the world banks asked for their money back. That idea means a lot. How can a failed state like South Africa prosper (in Africa terms) with an economy crippled by unemployment and corruption? Simple, the fat cats are being paid to open the border to multi-national corporations while the black worker gets underpaid and more angry by the day.

            This whole “revolution” was nothing more than to remove the white man from the equation and setting up a banana republic in it’s place funded with Federal Reserve funny money like every other African state’s dictators. Zimbabwe alone makes a fortune of selling mining rights to multinational miners. This was never about freedom or democracy this was a banker and corporative invasion. Every one from Voster to Mandela was nothing more than a pawn in a larger game that is being played against many other countries.

            Like the “Diversity is healthy for trade” ideology. Diversity is threatening the very existence of society. China has 0% diversity and they are very successful. All these liberal paragons of justice calling us “racists” and “totalitarians” can’t see that they are being played JUST like the Afrikaner was played.

          • Willem

            Spyker op die kop Marthinus..

      • Marthinus

        Chris, elsewhere on the forum made me page through Volksverraad again. What you mentioned about negotiations with Mandela is a reoccurring theme with Viljoen it seems, this is what Pretorius reports:

        “Die Suid-Afrikaanse Weermag se aanvanklike aandeel in die vermelde Rubicon-toespraak, het gelei tot konflik tussen pres. P.W. Botha en genl. Constand Viljoen en in so ‘n mate dat Constant Viljoen op vervroegde pensioen sy uittrede as Hoof van die Suid-Afrikaanse Weermag moes aankondig omrede, soos hy dit self gestel het, hy “die onpopulêre standpunt van die vrylating van Nelson Mandela ondersteun het”. Hy het net soos dr. Neil Barnard van Nasionale Intelligensiediens, genl. Tienie Groenewald van Kom. Ops. (agent van die CIA), F.W. de Klerk en Pik Botha (agent van die Rockefeller-CIA-konneksie) nou sterker as ooit geglo dat die veiligheidsvraagstuk van Suid-Afrika net opgelos kon word indien die politieke probleme besweer word.“

        I remember phoning Vaandel Uitgewers about getting my hands on this book. They said they were not allowed to print it any longer; Constant Viljoen made a case of slander against Pretorius and got the book banned …

  • Albert Brenner

    The brilliant sketch is by Peter Badcock. Here is a link to his work; Images of War.

    http://www.sadf.info/Images%20of%20War.html

    • Marthinus

      Priceless. Thanks for the link.

  • Brett Nortje

    Ek dink Constand Viljoen het met die inval in Bop die mensekapitaal gesien wat hy had om mee te werk en sy gat af geskrik. Die feit van die saak is die res van die SAW ysberg was dienspligtiges wie se ouers en skole hulle grootgemaak het om die gesag wat oor hulle gestel is te respekteer en wie hulle demokratiese instellings soos regering en verkiesings, die howe in kort die staat met ‘n groot mate van legitimiteit beskou het.

    • Jochen Peiper

      Sover ek weet het Viljoen opdrag ontvang om Mangope te beveilig en ontruim, en met ‘n klein groepie voormalige spes mag manne dit gedoen.
      Die AWB se intervensie was niks met Viljoen s’n te make nie.

      • Gas

        Dis reg

  • Jochen Peiper

    It could not have happened for the simple reason that, like true state servants, the generals were loyal to the government. George Meiring, Jannie Geldenhuys, Witkop Badenhorst and all their friends were first of all servants of the state.

    Unlike today (where this would never occur) Jannie Geldenhuys’ family were “bloed sappe” and he was never a national party supporter (would like to see THAT happen under the present regime) BUT he admitted in his biography he served the state. Thus he was caught in his own construct of loyalty above his own interests.

    When the 1990 – 1994 change came he didn’t think for himself… He looked to the minister of defence Magnus Malan (who was a party member) and he looked to FW DE Klerk, and bleated a request for orders.

    In a way it was admirable thing to do. However it was not a decision founded in reality. No doubt at some lower level of management amongst less senior officer as the chiefs of staff such rumblings must have taken place, but as Geldenhuys himself quoted from Friedrich Mellethin:

    “The essence of a soldier is discipline, and that manifests itself in obeying orders.”

    It is doubtful whether a Nato or USA embroiled in protecting Kuwait and entangled in a Somali nightmare, as well as a rising tension in the Balkans and the USSRs disintegration would have been able to spare any soldiery to openly intervene in South Africa had a coup taken place. However Albert correctly concludes that it would have been the case of the dog catching the bus… now that they had the country what now? And for that the soldiery was not equipped or knowledgeable enough to create something for us to use.

    The gravest error in the negotiations to this day is the decision of a powerful burgeoning right wing that spoke for over 30% of white people (at that stage almost 2 million) not to take part in the talks. In this the then Conservative Party’s leadership wrecked the Afrikaner’s right to self determination for all times and always.

    • Albert Brenner

      “”The essence of a soldier is discipline, and that manifests itself in obeying orders.”

      100% But, as we all know, with politicians at the helm… things could sometimes go horribly wrong for the citizenry…the soldiers have sworn to give their lives for.

      • Albert Brenner
        • Albert Brenner

          I rest my case…

          • Marthinus

            The photographic evidence alone against this Xhosa is enough to prove his Marxist alignment but somehow the “free world” believes that he is this righteous democratic demi-god. The world has gone insane. Maybe it is because the average Joe does not understand why communism is a bad thing?!

          • marula

            The “average Joe” by numbers, is embracing Socialism. Vast numbers of the voting public consist of the masses streaming in from Asia, Middle East, Africa and S America. Most have little usable skills, with the result that most demand Gov. assistance to make their trip worthwhile. Having discovered the “Racist” word, and the fact that Leftist governments are falling over themselves to satisfy the endless demand for more “beads, bright cloth, and hand-mirrors” from the low-info “voter”.
            The more that the bottom 25% receive for free the more it attracts more socialist voters to invade the viable economies.

          • Marthinus

            Exactly, we are witnessing a destructive force likened to Attila the Hun who finally destroyed the corrupt former-mighty Roman empire, only 100 times worse because of the invaded’s blindness. The European descendant is being overrun and they won’t realise it before it is too late; they will continue to drink and get drunk from their white guilt and the wild fervour of their “racism” witch hunts. If this is not the end times, then what is?

          • Eduan Naude

            Exactly – and you have also correctly noted that the liberal voter support comes from those that in the main survive through support from the State. However, we shall have to endure until it comes full circle.There is no other alternative. And when will this happen? I predict within the next 30 years Liberal support will have grown above 70% versus Conservative support of less than 30%. Then they will turn on themselves as they would then obviously not be able to blame the so-called right-wing any longer.

        • Boerseun.Z.A.R

          Great artwork,this pic,for my personal reasons, looks like a guy I know ,ex Koevoet, who is now in Afghanistan (private military contractor)
          The face is an exact.

        • Jochen Peiper

          I know plenty of people who come from families like that.

      • Sniper Elite

        Dear AB, I can attest to what you have touched upon. Their “ARE” many angry people that has to stand on a daily basis and watch the circus our previous political leaders have created. And even today, the same scum that has sold our land (their souls) and handed our children’s future on a platter to the communist dregs, are taking our people and dragging and persecuting them further by allowing the Liberal / Marxist / Communist and entitlement barbarians to torture, murder, rape and take from our brethren (through staged court processes) their last resources / pride and honour leaving them with no hope.
        When I read the essays of Dr David Duke, Dr W Pierce, H Lindsay, Sam Dickson and Dr Walter Williams (Stormfront) to mention a few great intellectuals and persons with great insight, then I understood and gained insight as to how naive and at the same time how sly with premeditation our leaders operated and bamboozled our nation – we were politically “uneducated” and the propaganda machine (no other country in the world were exposed to such ferocity) deployed against us were so devastating that our then government were incompetent
        to counter it as most of them already sold their souls for money and acknowledgement on international platforms – right from the first boerwar right up to the capitulation in the 1990’s

        I want to encourage you and all the writers to this facility and that has the interest and survival of the boer / afrikaner nation at heart, not to let the “distractors” and the enemies of our people discourage your resolve. Keep up the good work, nail them with facts and true historical information which they conveniently omit to refer to or assimilate with.

    • Boerseun.Z.A.R

      There were military gov’s/juntas than ran all over S/America.
      Chile & Argentina spring to mind,the only difference is they were sanctioned by the yanks.
      We had no support for such an action,the UN were also based in Botswana waiting to quell any right wing takeovers.

      • Albert Brenner

        UN soldiers cannot even quell a bitch slap in a gay-midget bar.

        • Boerseun.Z.A.R

          I know that the serbs put them up against the wall in caves in Serbia & warned them dutch UN soldiers that if they did not pi$$ off they would be killed.

          • Rentia Diedericks

            That sound about right for Dutch soldiers. They worry about stuff like wearing the right hairnets

          • Boerseun.Z.A.R

            “It is courage that vanquishes in war,& not good weapons”.
            ~Spanish proverb.

    • marula

      Exactly! Specially the last paragraph!

      Ironically, all those who refrained from voting, actually voted “Yes”.

    • effboer

      What you people don’t know is that the USA actually saved your bacon.There is a reason why the SADF did not go ahead with the coup.I will not mention the reason here just in case you guys get any ideas in future.If you however know any top intelligence officer in the SADF at the time ask him about the “African Solution” which scared the SADF from stopping the hand over.Your SADF was not as formidable as you thought.

      • Jochen Peiper

        The so-called “night of the long knives”? Or an Afro intervention.
        Sorry. Laughable.
        The cream of Soviet, Cuban, East German and the excrement masquerading as an Angolan could not defeat 3000 Boers with over 30 000…
        The finest of Mozambique, Zimbabwe and Zambia could not defeat little Renamo.
        The best of West African states from Cote Ivoire, Nigeria, Ghana and Cameroon could not restore peace in Sierra Leone until a small detachment of British Royal Marines did.
        The finest of Botswana, Tanzania, Kenya, could not stop Somali bandits from stealing UN food.
        The best of Zimbabwe, Congo, DRC, Angola, Uganda could not stop Rwanda and Burundi from ethnic genoicide, but a tiny detachment of French Foreign Legionnaires did.
        The “African Solution” was well known at Army Intelligence levels. I even had the chance to study the papers. It was typically naive thinking by Africans…. the SADF would have stopped the proposed invasion even with half the army detailed to internal security… that is even if African politicians who can’t agree on anything (except protecting themselves from justice hunters at the International Court in The Hague) could muster such a force it was only going to be four Soviet sized divisions. Even then the logistics of supporting such a force was impossible for Africans. It always has been and remains your biggest weakness as a people. Maintenance. You would have mustered maybe 100 000 troops for this “operation” and the SADF in 1990 could mobilize 500 000 soldiers and maintain them in the field indefinitely. It was pie in the sky fantasy thinking… the same kind of nonsense that makes you think you “won” something in 1990 – 1994

        • effboer

          Are you done lying to yourself ?Now please show us proof of the lies you have told especially this one about some invisible Royal marines in Sierra Leone. Please point to detailed articles supporting your fairy tales.

          What papers did you study? Please tell Mr we were the fouth best in the world.I repeat the USA saved your bacon.We already had maps of all your installations given to us by those you thought were your friends.Your so called grevsten or WTF are called again as well your so over hyped boerpigs army would have been mashed like potatoes.

          Whenever you see an American please bow to them and say Thank you.You were going to be massacred if not for the Intervention of the USA who pleaded with us to be patient.You were made to think you were in control but the guy with higher IQs outsmarted you and made you give up power without shedding any blood.How does that make you feel,yep i know you lot are stupid.You were defeated with simple brain power something you claim to have but clearly lack.

          • Jochen Peiper

            I am not your teacher. Thus like Mark Twain said, I see no need to educate a fool.
            In any event, US and British troops evacuated over 3000 foreigners from Freetown. However far be it from me to just stand aside and let a fool make a deeper fool of himself I would suggest a good starting point to google of Operation Palliser. See… not only are you a fool you are a lying fool.
            The US Army was in 1990 in no position to save anyone. It was fully deployed against Kuwait in 1990 and post 1990 in defence of UN peacekeepers in Somalia as well as several other deployments in the Far East. The British army was acting as its lackey. Given the recent CAAA and its disinvestment the USA was no friend of South Africa and suggestions to that effect are only forthcoming from the ill informed or (as is your case) liars.*
            It is arguable whether the SADF was the fourth (not “fouth ” please note) best army in he world but it was by a great measure far better than any existing army in sub Saharan Africa. Against the backdrop of its defeat by Chadian rebels one must also conclude the Libyan Army was (although the largest in Africa) largely a paper tiger. The Egyptian army was and remains designed built and created with one purpose only. To fight Israel.
            Our Boer Pig army fought in several wars and it was never mashed like potatoes. Not by Britain’s superpowers, not by Nazi Germany (both of which were the finest armies of their time) and they were never ever going to be defeated by a ragtag collection of Soviet and Chinese second rate armed untrained rabble. At the first sight of a Ratel the squeals (which I recall well) of “Mabunu hêna booya!” would have resounded in their ranks, they would have thrown away their boots and rifles and run through the harshest brush, swim crocodile infested rivers and bush frequented by lion and elephants to escape the dreaded Boer. The army never made a secret of where its formations were. However, as you conceded by your silence we knew about your four Soviet divisions plan even while these were being secretly discussed by your African “leaders”.

            Then the final paragraph of your attempted rebuttal is probably on a large scale the funniest fantasy I have seen since Douglas Adams. Only Adams intended for his to be funny.

            Perhaps now that I have established your lack of intellectual capability and your shortage of honesty you would be so kind as to prove your allegations about being told to be patient.

            * Four lies in just two posts. You are (to use a teenage adage) pwned. The funniest of the lot though is that you are so lacking in any form of intelligence and so imbued with a dishonest ego that you actually don’t or won’t see it.

  • Profeet

    the internationally recognized afrikaner state did seize to exist and I wonder when the Afrikaner will stand up and claim back what is rightfully theirs. I started asking these qeustions to the fw de klerk foundation and they refuse to answer me. The afrikaner at this stage has no country, no livelihood and no heritage due the fact that they were betrayed and everthing they worked for was given to the enemy to appease them with, when the call for “go to arms” is called, I will answer it

  • Chris

    I think the same senario played off as wilh Joubert and the siege of Ladysmith as noted in the book”Volksveraad”

    • Marthinus

      “ Piet Joubert is as verraaier ontmasker en op 20 Maart 1900 voor ‘n krygsraad op Kroonstad gedaag en ter dood veroordeel. Onder die genls. daar teenwoordig was Louis Botha, De la Rey en genl. de Wet. Dit was genl. Botha wat voor Piet Joubert op die tafel ‘n Mauser-koeël en glasie met groen vloeistof geplaas het met die woorde — “maak jou keuse!” … Genl. Joubert het gesê hy sien nie kans vir die koeël nie, en ‘n laaste versoek tot hulle gerig om niks van sy verraad aan sy familie te sê nie. Toe het hy opgestaan, die glasie met gif geledig en na sy sitplek treuggestap, maar by die stoel in sy spore neergesak en gesterf. “ (1996, Volksverraad)

      Piet Joubert was altyd my avatar hier op Praag, na ek die gelees het moes ek hom ongelukkig verwyder. Hy was ‘n vrymesselaar en ‘n handperd vir die Engelse. Is daar nog ‘n volk op die aarde met soveel verraaiers … jy moet weet jy is besig om iets reg te doen as die duiwel jou so pla.

      • Albert Brenner

        En nou het jy die beste avatar ooit! 🙂

  • Shannon

    This is about the way I to summed it up Albert. At least as far as ‘the most likely scenario’ goes. In other words no major final act of betrayal, threats or helpless agony. Just one big failure of both individuals and groups to back themselves.

    I feel for the generals. Yet, instead of doing something they opted to nothing, so one must still ask the question – ‘if, as commander in chief, you clearly see that you are the last bastion, why not do something ?’ And by ‘something’ I mean something preemptively … not roll over and forfeit the power.

    Albert, the other day I mentioned to you that perhaps the Afrikaner should begin to search for the ‘reasons’ closer to home and halt the expose on all the enemies. This is one of those reasons – the Afrikaner’s addiction to always await instructions from elsewhere.

  • Byron Richmond

    George Meiring said he would use english and black soldiers to kill afrikaners if they resisted the take over I can find the links if anyone is interested.

    • Rentia Diedericks

      Yes please find the links

    • Albert Brenner

      Please do!

    • Jochen Peiper

      Bizarre… but yes I’d also like to have seen that. Given that Meiring was probably one of a small number of troops this is highly unlikely and at best no more than boasting. The greater likelihood is that white English speaking soldiers would have sided with their commanders at ground level in any event. If such an uprising was as suggested then the Yugoslav model serves as an excellent example. The Slovenian and Croat troops who were NCOs and officers supportive of nationalist ideals simply placed soldiers of other ethnicities under arrest and order ethnic Slovenes and Croats to be national guards. The fact is that at a lower soldiery level, English and Afrikaans soldiers were intermingled to such an extent that Mering’s remark is laughably naive. It simply underlines my earlier point that the chiefs of staff and national party politicians were not in touch with ground reality.

    • Byron Richmond

      guys I will find the link it was part of a transcript I just need to search around for it a bit.

  • Guest

    Ever ask yourself why all the top American Officers, Generals and Admirals,
    have been relieved in the past 12 months? You should. I believe we’re up to 9 or 10 within the last year.

    • effboers

      Did this article just state the SADF was one of the top 4 in the world? ROFLMAO…you racists sure like to delude yoruselves hey? 4th in the world my behind,you guys would have been massacred by a few African armies talk less of the western ones.You brag about being the 4th but you have NEVER defeated any modern army,you could not even defeat you own rebals. Now let me show an example of what cowards you were :

      http://www.barrybester.com/b&bpics/bop4.jpg

      Do you rmemebr that picture? That is one of the coward AMB members who invaded one of the homelands and killed ordinary civilians but when they met a handful of soldiers they were chewed up like mince meat.You SADF guys and AWB are the biggest cowards and the biggest joke ever.You can not even kill a fly with a bazooka ,how are you going to win a war?Jeez so sad to be addressing a bunch of people with such low IQs.

      • Frank Cornelissen

        The truth is that thousands of opinionated fools, just like you, held the same dumb views before they landed up in their graves. You talk about low IQ people and yet here you are, still confusing the civil AWB with the military SADF……..and you have the gall of verbalizing your idiotic thoughts for all to see?? The mind boggles!

        • effboer

          hey Frankie so when are you organizing your own coup? All i see is some garlic smelling pigs reminiscing about the good ol days when they were constitutionally allowed to dehumanize Africans.Show us that you are not cowards and start something. All you noisemakers are just that noisemakers with no iota of courage.Stop sprouting your cowardly sh!t online and start something.Real men fight ,they don’t gossip.So much for boer courage.

          • Jochen Peiper

            Can you quote the precise section of the 1984 and 1961 constitution that “dehumanised” Africans?

            You know the one that says, like the American one,:

            “A Slave shall be counted as three fifths of a man”

            Do not bother. You would not even know where to go looking for something like that.

            I will save you the effort. There is no such provision.

            You are lying.

      • Chris

        Maybe you have heard of false flag events?Media right there to take close up pictures????? Maybe you should read more low IQ info.Would most certainly shut you up forever.

        • effboer

          Dude take your meds,only cowards makes excuses for being defeated.Those AWB 2 brain cell nitwits did not think before killing unarmed innocent people.I blame the African soldier who spared the life of that old faggot eugene terreblanche,he should have ended that c0nts life there and then but as usual African mercy prevailed.The only to get rid of racist is to kill them ,no mercy.Anyone who attacks Africans on African soil will be killed,you have been warned.

          • Chris

            My pants are shaking.
            Why have you not done your killing during the so called “armed struggle”?Tthat was the perfect oppertunity. Dont worry i know the answer.

      • Boerseun.Z.A.R

        What has the ex SADF have to do with the AWB.
        Funny ,you did not include pictures of when the AWB invaded the world trade centre & temporarily brought talks to an end.
        That was fun.

        I believe that the president of the then Bophophutuswana,asked E.T to restore order in his country because his army had gone renegade.
        Please refrain from speaking about Nick Fourie the way you have.

        • effboer

          Nick F0ckrie was a chicken azz coward,you know it and everyone knows it.He should have been running around in a skirt.LOL!

          • Boerseun.Z.A.R

            I take it you never met the man.

      • Jochen Peiper

        I believe Yoda has sent you a message efbooers.. it is pertinent that you should pay attention.

        • effboer

          When you are out debated by superior brain power you result to insults,lol typical inferior boer pig.

          • Jochen Peiper

            Who said I was a boer….
            You have raised no issue of any value to “debate”… debate implies an equal measurement of intellect. In your case all you said was so stupid it justified no response and a response would have wasted electrical pulses in the synapses of my brain, shortening my lifespan by a few seconds.
            In any event I want to use your illiterate response as a classic stereotype confirming remark.
            Here one sees the classic African methodology of discussion.
            First there is a large amount of inaccurate drivel.
            This is capably dealt with. The sullen African cannot and does not respond but rather chastened maintains a respectful silence. Once the responses are culminated by the logical conclusion (as illustrated by Master Yoda whom I respect even though he is not even human) the African leaps back into the fray claiming victory. As is the norm with his people he is incapable of reasoning with in any way that any intellectual may comprehend. Instead I believe a toddler operates more at this intellectual capability. The best response to the African it appears is to poke a tongue out AND make an irritating sound like “nyanyanyanya masipa” for only then are you “debating” with them. Any other interaction on a level above that of the five year old is purposeless.

          • Tovya

            Dear moderator – why is this guy above allowed to rubish people here?

          • Richard Braack

            Who, and where, are you?

      • Jannie

        What a lot of poppycock!!

    • Albert Brenner

      Very interesting! But I doubt if Obama will try to pull a FW on America. It would certainly start a new civili war!

      Is it true that the USAF is, traditionally, left of centre?

  • stephen

    The old sayings still have value, he who smelt it, dealt it, he who yells racist is a racist, he who proclaims low IQ, has the lowest. @43f9238f8c91ad57d1180b62ef98ff75:disqus, you need to re read and focus and add value to a conversation, not just spew something because you had a brain fart moment

  • Tovya

    Newt Gingrich had caused a coup de tat and Paul Craig Roberts and Pat Buchanan aren’t there. The neocons took over with HW Bush. The Russians withdrew support from the ANC, Crocket withdrew got the Cubans out.

    We would have been Iraq.

    I would have preferred gun rights and a more federal system for the Western Cape.